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Started by cervantes Mar 12 2010, 19:28

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cervantes
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Mar 12 2010, 19:28

I often read this in the paper.How do we find out the specific date ?I do remember the Maggie Thatcher days when companies were floated.However, that was a long time ago and I doubt it will be published in the papers  along with an application form to apply.
Cervantes.


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raysor
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Mar 13 2010, 09:33

Company flotations. This is a whole new ball game in itself! You are thinking of the Public Flotations which as well as the privatisations (BT, Brit Gas etc.) included de-mutualisations (Building Societies) and private companies (Sainsbury etc.). These were great fun! There was a process called "stagging". In a public offer the application form was always in the newspaper, so to do multiple apps. you either had to get loads of newspapers, go to the issuing house or to the company itself. I can remember filling in 40 or so forms for the minimum amounts, in the names of the whole family, friends and pets, in the hope of getting 3-4 successful ones on which you would make a good profit on the first day of dealing. Then multiple applications were outlawed.
Most of the flotations now are done privately through one or two brokers and you have to do a bit of work to get them (if at all). There has just been a float of Supergroup by Seymour Pierce. You will find proposed flotations, I think, in Investors Chronicle and there is an IPO page on the LSE website. If you have your own broker he will scout out new issues as well. On our homepage you will see Redmayne mention some IPOs.
A lot of the IPOs (and secondary placings) are in smaller companies and a lot on AIM (resource companies). If they are secondary placings the info. cannot be put in the public domain so you need to be made an insider if you are told about them. Also many are high risk so your broker's file on you would have to indicate this fact and that you are interested in placings. There is some rule about investors numbers being maximum of 100 (not completely sure how that applies).


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cervantes
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Mar 13 2010, 16:31

Thank You.About 20 years ago,I bought Midlands Electric.Cost £240 in instalments.I sold them for £840.Until recently, I never paid any more attention to shares.Were Supergroup successful ?
I see an ad in today`s paper,similar to years ago,Fidelity China. Any opinions ?
Cervantes.

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raysor
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Mar 13 2010, 22:38

Supergroup offer closed last week and they are not yet listed. So watch this space.
Fidelity China is an investment Trust (closed ended) and I am not sure but it seems to be being offered by Hargreaves Lansdown who charge an initial commission and an annual renewal commission. Not 100% certain about this because, as usual, their website is over complicated. Investment trusts are more complicated than at first glance as the share price is always at a discount to net asset value but this discount fluctuates quite a bit depending on investors perception of the market. The managers can also gear up its investment by borrowing cash against its assets. From HL website:
This new China fund is an investment trust. Investment trusts are closed-ended funds, which means they cannot easily take in new money after launch and they trade like shares. For this reason the fund will not appear on our Wealth 150, which only includes unit trusts, but we shall keep clients who invest through Hargreaves Lansdown apprised of our views with
regular updates. Anthony Bolton wanted an investment trust to provide a stable portfolio and to ensure the fund didn’t grow too large to manage effectively.

Investment trusts are investment companies.
Once launched, its shares will trade on the London Stock Exchange and you will be able to buy and sell them just like any other share. You will be given a price when you deal, and it will also be shown in the Financial Times and on our website. The price will be determined by supply and demand, and won’t necessarily reflect the underlying value of the trust. When the demand for shares is high, the share price can be higher (at a premium) than the underlying value of the investments. Conversely when an investment trust falls out of favour, and there are more sellers than buyers, the share price can fall to a discount, a feature which increases the risk profile of investment trusts.

Investment trusts can also borrow money to invest, ‘gearing’ the returns. Anthony Bolton will be able to use bank loans, overdrafts and derivatives to borrow up to 30% of the value of the fund. He can also use shorting. If he gets it right this could help boost gains, but it can also magnify losses. If you apply at launch you will buy the same assets as you would if it was a unit trust. The difference being that thereafter the shares may trade at more (or less) than the value of the underlying portfolio. For these reasons, we suggest that if you are interested, you act now, and only if you are investing for the long term. Peter K Hargreaves | Chief Executive

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cervantes
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Mar 14 2010, 10:18

Ok,I read this site every day. However,how do I find out the minute both companies are listed.There must be something better than checking their website every day ?In other words, is an announcement made where ?


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raysor
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Mar 14 2010, 12:04

Super Group was floated with a book running (institutional offer) and then a retail offer. I think an application form was on the registrars website.
I think you have to look out for possible issues and then track down a projected timetable from there.
According to Redmayne's site Supergroup retail offer is expected to open on 15th March. (see link on our home page.)


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raysor
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Mar 24 2010, 23:43

Hope you didn't miss Supergroup today.Finished the first day of dealing at 533-6p (From placing at 500p)


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cervantes
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Mar 27 2010, 18:58

I did`nt miss it.However, I have no more money left.Would have to have sold something and everything I have bought has done very well.
Would you like a look(by e.mail ).
Cervantes.


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raysor
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Mar 27 2010, 20:43

Cervantes, we would really like to publish your experiences on the website. Email me your trades etc. if you like. Do you think you would like to publish a small column on Shareworld. I don't know if you read the section by Dan Tebbutt-it was a shame he didn't continue.http://www.shareworld.co.uk/index.php/dan.html
Let us know.
We are looking at several ideas: A series of tutorial videos on Youtube, expanding the Beginner's Corner or maybe some meet-ups at something like the Proactive company presentations.

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